In Conversation With: Graeme Orr

Graeme Orr is a Professor at the University of Queensland. His research interests are wide and varied, and I was lucky enough to have a short conversation with him about the recent Queensland local election. In particular, Graeme shared with me his views on the referendum and democratic process. I will be interested in hearing Graeme's perspective on the upcoming Federal Election, but that's for another day.

Prianka: For someone who has no idea how things work, can you explain briefly what the democratic process was like in the lead up to the election?


Graeme: It wasn’t run very well, whether by design or misadventure (or a bit of both). As you probably know better than me, many people were not aware that the referendum was on, and people were turning up to the polls surprised that they had to vote on something besides local government. This Bill, that is now law to amend Queensland’s Constitution was pushed through on the last sitting before Christmas. We heard nothing of it for a while afterwards, other than there was a suggestion that the government, to save money, wanted to hold the referendum on the same day as the local government polling day.

We then had four or five weeks’ notice when the Governor said that the referendum would be held. The people behind the referendum spent no public money educating, and we know that this is an absolute problem when it comes to deliberative democracy. This is especially in regards to referendums – for instance if you think about the Indigenous (so-called) recognition and local government referendums that were mooted, there has been a several year-long process of consultation and building up community information and potential support and arguments. In this case, there was none of that.

In this case, the only public monies that went into voter education was a 1000-word case for yes or no in letter boxes. Many people would’ve thrown it in the bin, many would have put it aside and lost it. In some cases, one person in a household would have seen it but not the rest. It’s not a bad idea, but it is a 100-year old idea in the law, that you spend some money for an official yes/no case which is in black and white. It’s fine, but you need a lot more, and we learned that seventeen years ago with the republic referendum, where they ran things like television and social media campaigns. Basically, we need an updated model about engaging people in open ways, and that’s particularly important when you’re changing fundamental legal institutions, like how long parliament runs.

You’ve done constitutional law, does Queensland have a constitution?


Prianka: I wish I had paid more attention in Constitutional Law, but yes I think so. There’s no bill of rights, so I’d hope that there’s a constitution


Graeme: Many people don’t know that Queensland has its own separate constitution to the national one, and very few people will know that Queensland’s constitution runs across many Constitution acts. Almost no people would know that the Queensland Constitution is flexible, meaning that we did not have to have a referendum to determine fixed terms – we could have just passed a Bill.

Why then did they include fixed terms with longer terms? A referendum is needed for longer terms, because in the 1920s the Upper House, which was at the time stacked with old white men, was abolished and the Labor Party entrenched three-year fixed terms explicitly, because that was supposed to be the main form of accountability and protection for not having any other checks and balances.

However, the government in this case decided to bundle together fixed terms, where they didn’t even need a referendum, and longer terms where they did. Why do you think they did this?


Prianka: For them – for job security and the security of political agenda?


Graeme: Precisely, these were bundled together for their sake. They wanted longer terms. They could have had fixed terms without a referendum, and they could have done this any time in the past. They deliberately (or cleverly) bundled two separate issues together, when they could easily have had two separate questions in the referendum, to minimise peoples’ choices. It’s a bit like Optus and Telstra, they bundle together packages to force you into things that you don’t really want. It’s a classic marketing tool, to bundle together related but distinct questions, to minimise choice in the assumption or hope that people will favour fixed terms and stability, with the risk of longer terms and less democracy and checks and balances.

There was polling that shows that 60-70% of Queenslanders wanted fixed terms, and 60-70% of Queenslanders wanted short terms. You can see why the referendum was so close. You can see why it just struck over the line, despite peoples’ good democratic instincts. People are not irrational. People who simply trust in the power above are in a minority.


Prianka: So am I benefiting at all from four-year terms?


Graeme: You’re not, or at least you’re certainly not guaranteed to. You’ve diluted yours and your children’s’ votes – this referendum has diluted our voting rights, and it’s the only mechanism formally and institutionally in our legal system that provides us with protection from the executive government. I mean, we’ve got an Ombudsman and Parliament, and we’ve got parliamentary committees. However, none of these things are locked in. The ability to vote regularly was the only thing we had, and people used that to get rid of the Bligh government because it had been there for too long and had lied about asset sales, and they used it to get ride of the Newman government because it was moving too fast and too soon, in ways that people thought were unfair.

We now all have to wait an extra year to get rid of a bad government. But more than that, we only have one vote very four years. One ballot, one Upper House ballet. We can’t elect minor parties effectively because the system is geared towards the two major parties.


Prianka: That was one of my other questions – what chance do The Greens or any other parties have of being properly represented?


Graeme: You can see why The Greens and the Katter Party were against the referendum; because they prefer the idea of more democracy and not less. Voting less is a bit like having fewer opinion polls. It means that we’re being consulted less, and it means that the executive can just go on and do their own thing. But, when you think about Queensland’s culture and history, you can see that we have a history of (usually) strong male premiers. Newman – strong choices, Peter Beattie – was all about him. These Premiers can rule on 40% or less of the vote because the voting system in the Lower House is geared towards the party which is the most popular, not the party that has 50% of the vote. Smaller parties, like The Greens, don’t get any say.

We really missed a big opportunity. If a small percentage of people had switched, we could have forced the government back to the drawing board as they desperately wanted those four year terms like the other States. Had the referendum not passed, they would have had to bargain and give something up. Perhaps an entrenched bill of rights, or an Upper House (preferably). Maybe a system of proportionate voting in the Lower House like they have in New Zealand, which is my preference. Any one of those things would at least provide some system of checks and balance.

Importantly, it was always wrong to say that having a fixed four-year term would bring Queensland in line with the other States, because all the other States have an Upper House. They all have some proportional voting, whereas Queensland now has a constitution which is identical to the Northern Territory’s, and we know how how that’s working out.

Unfortunately, it’s now entrenched forever.


Prianka: Do you think that the possibility of an Upper House is realistic or idealistic?


Graeme: It would take a major scandal, like a corruption scandal, to induce parties to proactively put an Upper House back in place. We only have to look to the United States, how volatile the election is currently. People are looking for alternatives out of the cosy two-party system. They want someone who pushes down the barriers – a major economic shift. But this sort of scandal is not something that you would wish for as means of re-introducing an Upper House.

Remember that there really was no money in the ‘no’ case for the referendum. The Greens shared a video of me explaining my position (see below) but this was not funded. On the other hand, people on the ‘yes’ case were funded. The government paid for flights for the Attorney General and the Shadow Attorney General. They had party advertising and how to vote cards as well. So for them to only get 53% of the votes is one of the worst results for a referendum that has had bipartisan approval.

For instance, you can go back to the Commonwealth referendum for indigenous affairs in 1967, where there was 90% approval. In 1970s there were three referenda which all got between 60-80% of approval. This referendum was actually a very bad result.

But, it is what it is. We are now left with fixed four-year terms, and hopefully we will have more responsive rather than less responsive government. 

Things to note:

If you are further interested, you can find out more at http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/mar/18/queensland-politicians-in-furious-agreement-on-fixed-terms-but-voters-beg-to-differ 

Embedded in the article is the video prezi Graeme made explaining his case, as well as a video from Mr Ian Walker in support of four-year fixed terms.